Tribe.net. Local Connections Rebecca http://ihateWOW.tribe.net/thread/ec66f0dd-e8a3-4b58-ae98-94f5de34969b#f48b8973-b401-4d79-ab1c-6ade120ef1dd 2009-12-28T05:25:39Z 2009-12-28T05:25:39Z

I am fascinated by all of the comments on this site. First, I must say that this game doesn't "ruin" people. If they are ignoring you and the children then he's probably a crappy person. I understand that everyone is looking for something to blame. Women, more so than men, have to hold out hope "people are good; it’s just the situation..." I have been where all of you venters have been. Getting mad at my boyfriend for not paying attention to me just made him less interested in me. BIG SHOCK... if every minute spent with you is a whine stream, I'd throw on some headphones and try to block out the world too. My fiancé (same guy) is still a heavy gamer. He has gaming groups at our house every weekend and plays computer games throughout the week. I have accepted that this is who he is, but obviously there are many of you out there who haven’t accepted this about your significant others. Here is the secret... If you have a problem with what someone is doing, say so. If they choose not to respond or redirect attention, it is simply because they don't care if you are happy and at that point moving on would be the answer. And before everyone jumps to assume that my situation is different for x and x reason... We do have a child together. We spend lots of time with her and yes she has a wow character, though as far as she knows it's just jumping, dancing and running in the low level area. I can only tell you what makes sense to me. Take it or leave it. It seems that the men in this chat are continuously saying, "JOIN WOW... play and you will understand." Maybe you want to fight it because a guy who plays is saying it? I am a girl. I have hated wowers, and then I learned to play and that is when I understood why my guy was so excited. I played both with my fiancé, and in other guilds and our relationship grew so much stronger now that we have shared that bond. I am over my phase. It lasted a few years and now I am on to other things but I still respect the excitement so many mmo's stir up. You want to blah blah blah about some sale on clothes or hamburger meat; they may want to do their own blah-ing about a raid they went on. They humor you; maybe you should extend the same courtesy. I can assure you that even feigning a positive interest will get you "attention points" with your boyfriend/husband. If its seriously impacting your life maybe start by saying "I will stop nagging you all day as long as you don't start playing wow until the kids go to bed at x time” Or better yet, the hardcore raiding guilds typically have a schedule, ask questions about it, find out what times he will be entirely preoccupied and lessen your expectations. It may catch the attention of your gamer. Try to understand that while you may make plans to meet with your friends, he too has made plans -a commitment- to his friends! I sincerely doubt that he would force you to cancel plans, so be considerate. Long story, short.... Don't blame the game. If your significant other really truly cares about your feelings and you are expressing them in a mature fashion, not whining like a toddler for candy, they will adjust their habits. If they don't then I guess you should know what that means. But just remember that just because someone is a parent or a husband doesn't mean they have to be ONLY that.

Rebecca 2009-12-28T05:25:39Z WOW Hater http://ihateWOW.tribe.net/thread/ec66f0dd-e8a3-4b58-ae98-94f5de34969b#48f6e57f-0395-4aa7-b55b-ca6d76806035 2009-12-26T02:59:11Z 2009-12-26T02:59:11Z

Any human that refers to WOW as a "social network"( a person's family, neighbors, and friends with whom they are socially involved) needs to reevaluate what life is.....life consists of human beings and animals making their way in the world.....we were not created to sit in front of a radioactive box and create fake lives consisting of every characteristic we are not. You do realize you are playing with the nerds and geeks you beat up in school and probably most people you would never ever speak or look at in the real world - ah but fake life is soooo much easier. You can hide, pretend and gain weight for 15 bucks a month! Get off the couch!!!! In 20 years the news will read "HEART ATTACKS LINKED TO WOW USAGE" OR "OBESITY BLAMED ON WOW ADDICTION". You can hide but one day your faithful technology won't be there... it too will evolve to something else....what will you evolve into? I simply hate the lifestyle wow imposes on the user - it screams "you will miss me when you're gone"!

WOW Hater 2009-12-26T02:59:11Z anica ditchkofsky http://ihateWOW.tribe.net/thread/ec66f0dd-e8a3-4b58-ae98-94f5de34969b#fb0805d1-530e-4b00-8991-dff4ae4462f1 2009-12-24T06:09:27Z 2009-12-24T06:09:27Z

"You should all be thankful your objects of rage arent addicted to heroin, or alcohol, they stay home, usually with you, just not conversing with you rather then go off gallivanting somewhere else." Are you serious? I hate hate hate it when people try to take credit for stuff they are supposed to do (Chris Rock, Bring the Pain). Maybe you're not aware of correct social behavior b/c you stay home and play WoW all the time but here's a tip: People are not supposed to be addicted to heroin or alcohol; people in a committed relationship are not supposed to "go off gallivanting somewhere else"; AND when someone is in a commited relationship he or she is not supposed to play a video game from the time he or she gets off work until 0100 or 0200 in the morning. And yes, this is completely personal. my husband mentioned WoW in passing when we were stationed overseas and he couldn't play b/c he didn't have computer with enough memory. But as soon as we got back to the States he was on till the break of dawn. His health is suffering because of his addiction to this stupid game. IT"S A GAME!!! It is not real!!! Me, his wife and his children are real. I have never felt one way or the other about gamers until this past year. To each his own, I always say. But I have heard the terms "incendiary flesh, Aggros, DPS" so many times that I feel sick. I hate this game and it should be grounds for divorce.

anica ditchkofsky 2009-12-24T06:09:27Z Kevin http://ihateWOW.tribe.net/thread/ec66f0dd-e8a3-4b58-ae98-94f5de34969b#e133db1e-be45-4f6d-858c-fcb2c3f65c42 2009-12-24T02:28:28Z 2009-12-24T02:28:28Z

What if a WoW player's girlfriend or boyfriend left him or her because the WoW player consistently demonstrated intimacy with the WoW social network; rather than the WoW player's girlfriend or boyfriend? What if the game virtually addicts or imprisons its players through dailies so that it nearly becomes a part time-job or a full time-job; sometimes on call; though it doesn't pay and it even costs money. Perhaps bowling is also an example of a regular hobby, sport or activity that takes a player's time like a part time-job though it doesn't pay and it costs money. Still; what if addicts of any substance or activity inevitably expose themselves to the possibility that their partners lament a complete loss of intimacy or connection and they leave the addict? When you say that WoW members' or players' partners should feel grateful that their partners are not satisfying more dangerous substance-addictions or violent activities, what if you are bribing: "Let us play the game or else we'll drink or physically or truly kill people?" So what if you and your likeminded peers are expressing an ultimatum to your opponents and even to people about whom you care since you are trying to justify this hobby, membership, activity or game to them. What if you attempted to justify this hobby to them without resorting to ultimatums, threats or "ultimatum-logic?" What if you are expressing that two wrongs make a right when you express that if WoW-players or members did not play this game, they might be drinking or perpetrating true, physical violence? What if that is to say, "WoW isn't good; but it's better than physical violence and alcoholism or substance-abuse?" What if you attempted to promote and justify WoW by expressing why it is good; rather than why "it is somewhat bad; but it isn't as bad as substance-abuse or violence?"

Kevin 2009-12-24T02:28:28Z Sam http://ihateWOW.tribe.net/thread/ec66f0dd-e8a3-4b58-ae98-94f5de34969b#a71c5cc6-e459-4e83-b8a2-86850d8aebd7 2009-12-17T08:28:03Z 2009-12-17T08:28:03Z

u r prolly fat n ugly. I would take my gf pussy over any wow crap. get a life loser. haha

Sam 2009-12-17T08:28:03Z Alexandra http://ihateWOW.tribe.net/thread/ec66f0dd-e8a3-4b58-ae98-94f5de34969b#0f2e815a-8164-4b32-9250-dbb99d6e250c 2009-10-31T15:36:10Z 2009-10-31T15:36:10Z

i dont know about you but i have a life, and i go into the REAL world and meet people and make new friends i can talk to face to face like a normal person, and when i meet guys i can also talk to them and go on REAL dates with them, like dinner and a movie... not sitting on my arse all fucking day killing creatures... hell if your idea of a date is raiding and shit with other addicts go for it... but in the end, people who live lives and not wastes them are in it FTW... for the freaking win...

Alexandra 2009-10-31T15:36:10Z Alexandra http://ihateWOW.tribe.net/thread/ec66f0dd-e8a3-4b58-ae98-94f5de34969b#96cc8a4d-4449-4301-9c00-950584a3a1a3 2009-10-31T15:25:48Z 2009-10-31T15:25:48Z

oh i completely understand. Trust me... you defend the game because you are an addict. like, you have to continuously stay in contact with your mates from school probably because you cant make friends in the real world. have you tried doing anything else? This game ruins lives, and relationships. It is a sickness and anyone who stands up for this game is obviously sick. You need counseling. moderate gameplay is fine but when it takes over your whole life it is sick. so your boss is a jerk? well instead of coming home and firing at imaginary creatures why not get off your arse and go find a new job! this is what i dont get, excuse after excuse, well i dont play the game at all but i lost my bf to that game. he forgets to eat and sleep now, and i have to remind him to eat and drink so he lives because i swear, if i didnt he would die of dehydration and starvation. he could fail university because he is too busy raiding to study for the real world. so you kill an imaginary creature before anyone else??? oh really... well congratulations how does that reward you at all may i ask? does the game just magically conjure up a trophy for you to put on your imaginary mantelpiece? does the game solve all your life problems??? no it doesnt. it only makes you run from your problems, it makes addicts. WoW is the most idiotic and brainless game ever invented, created by money grabbing imbeciles. to all WoW users... get a lyf n00bs... gawd and dont run from it, deal with it like people had to before computers were even invented. you should be thankful that the world has changed so there is more equal rights, and women arent being torched because people think they are witches... hell if times were still like that then fucking play your arse off. but they arent. and WoW users are scared of reality and need to fucking face it to get over it. WoW sucks majorly and needs to be burned to the ground.

Alexandra 2009-10-31T15:25:48Z bonkersthebeenie http://ihateWOW.tribe.net/thread/ec66f0dd-e8a3-4b58-ae98-94f5de34969b#2de508fa-8122-4c1d-913d-4b6b82031577 2009-10-26T01:29:08Z 2009-10-26T01:29:08Z

What would happen to your lives then if the game got shut down for a while? What are you missing out on that a game simply can't offer? Do you even remember?

bonkersthebeenie 2009-10-26T01:29:08Z hal http://ihateWOW.tribe.net/thread/ec66f0dd-e8a3-4b58-ae98-94f5de34969b#912d76b7-1158-4890-afd7-c7438f826d22 2009-10-26T00:25:37Z 2009-10-26T00:25:37Z

I WANT ATTENTION GIVE IT TO ME NOW OR I'M GONNA CRY AND THROW A FIT LIKE A KID

hal 2009-10-26T00:25:37Z lindsay http://ihateWOW.tribe.net/thread/ec66f0dd-e8a3-4b58-ae98-94f5de34969b#0d45dd6c-6b28-4ba5-9f1f-d7250f2631fe 2009-10-10T05:25:52Z 2009-10-10T05:25:52Z

I know wow has not made my husband a better person, father or husband. Anything that has more priority than your kids and your wife is not even worth playing........ So ask your self if you play the game who is more important the game or your wife and kids.

lindsay 2009-10-10T05:25:52Z lindsay http://ihateWOW.tribe.net/thread/ec66f0dd-e8a3-4b58-ae98-94f5de34969b#aa6a8919-9a27-4677-b0ca-0b70f68bcf99 2009-10-10T04:54:53Z 2009-10-10T04:54:53Z

yes everyone needs free time, but when your spending more time with the game than your wife that is a huge problem and one that leaves wifes feeling sad and alone. I spend everynight by myself and yes even on the weekends, and are husbands are lucky we even stay around

lindsay 2009-10-10T04:54:53Z Ashari http://ihateWOW.tribe.net/thread/ec66f0dd-e8a3-4b58-ae98-94f5de34969b#71ffa565-1b11-4d46-8c17-a42feafa61de 2009-10-08T14:07:25Z 2009-10-08T14:07:25Z

That's great for you, but theres no need to be rude. I met my husband in real life, and just like alot of women on here we'd like to have a real life togther not one we're I'm looking at the back of his head all day long, you have to admit there needs to be a balance. I like the game too, but my life and spending time with my husband while we're still alive is more important.

Ashari 2009-10-08T14:07:25Z Ashari http://ihateWOW.tribe.net/thread/ec66f0dd-e8a3-4b58-ae98-94f5de34969b#f74e177e-845e-4475-9834-705bba68dc75 2009-10-08T14:04:23Z 2009-10-08T14:04:23Z

I've actually played the game and If I had the time yeah that would be alot of fun, but like you I wouldn't let it replace real life. My husband actually wants to get two computers so we can play together and in theory that could be fun, but if we're not having actualy contact and spending real time togther, that's just strange. there has to be a limit.

Ashari 2009-10-08T14:04:23Z Ashari http://ihateWOW.tribe.net/thread/ec66f0dd-e8a3-4b58-ae98-94f5de34969b#98e63854-976e-4b94-a32d-42d1f6183c0e 2009-10-08T14:01:38Z 2009-10-08T14:01:38Z

Hey I understand, I play sims and I love that game but I don't make it my real life. Yes I appreciate that my husband isn't out hanging at strip clubs or doing drugs. But Im a person, Im the person he married not the game. It's cool if he comes home and plays for maybe 2 hours or so but all night, night after night. You got to put yourself in our shoes, if you played that game and no one wanted to talk to you or play with you it would kinda suck. And that's what real life is when you have a husband who would rather play a game of hours on end rather then spend maybe even just and hour talking to his wife.

Ashari 2009-10-08T14:01:38Z Mike http://ihateWOW.tribe.net/thread/ec66f0dd-e8a3-4b58-ae98-94f5de34969b#f2048996-8547-428e-a4b0-7c27f07a55d9 2009-09-29T06:53:25Z 2009-09-29T06:53:25Z

It's ENTERTAINMENT. It hasn't got a thing to do with the game itself... I think the problem is that your husband is a deadbeat shithead who bit off more than he could chew when he shot off his skin rifle into your ham wallet. It really doesn't take much self control to set a time limit, and he obviously lacks the ability to prioritize his life. I'm just fucking sick of these douchebags ignoring their families and jobs, and most of all GIVING THE REST OF US A BAD NAME.

Mike 2009-09-29T06:53:25Z Mike http://ihateWOW.tribe.net/thread/ec66f0dd-e8a3-4b58-ae98-94f5de34969b#96e28b2a-4e59-4ce8-a12e-7b193f14c6aa 2009-09-29T06:42:41Z 2009-09-29T06:42:41Z

And people who don't play aren't more easily biased against it? Please.

Mike 2009-09-29T06:42:41Z Justina http://ihateWOW.tribe.net/thread/ec66f0dd-e8a3-4b58-ae98-94f5de34969b#c69f0571-ff68-497d-8661-b9868978a517 2009-09-18T20:14:31Z 2009-09-18T20:14:31Z

Wow, you need to chill out. I actually did play after I realized how much my boyfriend loved it. I leveled to 70 did raids, did dungeons and all that stuff. I even will admit it was fun and I did really enjoy it. The fact of the matter is, I enjoy real life more. Im not saying its a bad game but seriously... if you really cant stop playing and do other things or if you cant manage the time you play on it then you have a problem. I stopped playing because I dont want that to be the only thing my boyfriend and I do, World of Warcraft should not be the only thing you have in common. My boyfriend still plays all the time and yes it bothers me alot but I deal with it , even though I know I shouldnt. Im fine with people who play, but when it comes before REAL things thats when you have a problem. So seriously STOP being rude about the other people on here because no they may not have played it and dont realize that its a fun game but there needs to be some sort of line drawn. They should come before that game, no matter how fun, no matter what, that game wont last forever, but a relationship with someone can. So why the heck would someone let a game come before that?

Justina 2009-09-18T20:14:31Z teylor http://ihateWOW.tribe.net/thread/ec66f0dd-e8a3-4b58-ae98-94f5de34969b#86230804-39a8-46b1-87ca-92c41a23b717 2009-08-23T23:30:58Z 2009-08-23T23:30:58Z

I think you're enjoyment of W0W pertains to your personality. My boyfriend plays, I tried it. I did find it entertaining for a certain period of time...but for 15 hours a day!? Not worth that.

teylor 2009-08-23T23:30:58Z kyle http://ihateWOW.tribe.net/thread/ec66f0dd-e8a3-4b58-ae98-94f5de34969b#86cc3cbf-c817-40f0-bd91-cfc0e5fc7621 2009-07-24T05:21:00Z 2009-07-24T05:21:00Z

you knew to stop playing at 35? You can do that in 2 days of play time. Wow... you're real hot shit being in a guild. I can't believe you gave all that up.

kyle 2009-07-24T05:21:00Z kyle http://ihateWOW.tribe.net/thread/ec66f0dd-e8a3-4b58-ae98-94f5de34969b#24a0f206-e0b5-413f-a814-fbbcb0ede74a 2009-07-24T05:18:12Z 2009-07-24T05:18:12Z

learn a new language??? Whoopty shit. Now you can spend the rest of your life forgetting it. Play the guitar? Now you can be an emo poser faggot and write your own songs.

kyle 2009-07-24T05:18:12Z kyle http://ihateWOW.tribe.net/thread/ec66f0dd-e8a3-4b58-ae98-94f5de34969b#8c4c0ad5-1985-41e7-8c81-340154630524 2009-07-24T05:15:52Z 2009-07-24T05:15:52Z

What the hell do you learn about real life at an animal shelter? How to scoop up dog shit? Since you've clearly never played the game your opinion doesn't matter. I've spent hundreds of hours volunteering. Cleaning up trash along highways, Helping the physically impaired, Visiting the elderly. You know what i got from all that? Tired and bored. Nothing makes people better. People decide to better themselves. When you've managed to make yourself more interesting then a video game let us know.

kyle 2009-07-24T05:15:52Z kyle http://ihateWOW.tribe.net/thread/ec66f0dd-e8a3-4b58-ae98-94f5de34969b#c0be1634-2d2d-4228-9158-e30ec5ef6771 2009-07-24T05:09:04Z 2009-07-24T05:09:04Z

Why don't you try playing wow with him? I know plenty of couples with children that lead happy and fulfilling lives while getting some wow time in too. Plus just showing an interest in wow will make you more desirable. There's no doubt that wow is an epic game. When you look down on something that you clearly don't understand it makes you look ignorant, and boring. Like a prude. I know the few times my GF asked questions or watched me play for a few minutes made me want to spend more time with her. Just don't talk bad about the game. If he hears it, he'll know you don't understand him, and your about as interesting as his mom.

kyle 2009-07-24T05:09:04Z kyle http://ihateWOW.tribe.net/thread/ec66f0dd-e8a3-4b58-ae98-94f5de34969b#87cec3c1-8c77-44d8-8697-4a3934c3aab0 2009-07-24T05:01:35Z 2009-07-24T05:01:35Z

anyone who drinks or does drugs while playing wow is a noob. How can you possibly max your dps when your stoned. You'll get kicked out of your guild so fast for wiping a raid.

kyle 2009-07-24T05:01:35Z kayla http://ihateWOW.tribe.net/thread/ec66f0dd-e8a3-4b58-ae98-94f5de34969b#75c534d4-cb8a-4826-ac76-42d780073dd6 2009-07-23T01:34:44Z 2009-07-23T01:34:44Z

I do understand! I see chicks on here running there mouth about how there bf or hubby isn't paying the any attention, or is an addic to the game....boo fucking whoo. I am a chick and I love the game, not for the hard work you have to put into it, but for the people and to get away from a hard long stressful day. i even met my bf on wow, and if it wasn't for the game we would of never met. after i got out of high school i lost contact with all of my friends, and b/c of wow i have met some new ones, plus the love of my life. i see it this way, for all of you that just sit here and bitch about your better half not stuck up your ass 24/7, why don't you go out and buy the game and try to see what they see in the game. hell level up to 80 and you two can do dungeons and raids all day long. oh and fyi, if you hate gamers don't get into a relationship with one.

kayla 2009-07-23T01:34:44Z Liam http://ihateWOW.tribe.net/thread/ec66f0dd-e8a3-4b58-ae98-94f5de34969b#7152a25d-47b8-4a15-89a1-d2800d489d47 2009-07-09T01:03:20Z 2009-07-09T01:03:02Z

You know how you get a feeling of RL acomplishment? Because it's tough, the new raids and instances are hard. And when you get to the point where you beat thim you now you're one of the best players from the thousands on your realm, you've just done something others can only dream of. Sure it's on the computer but it's just as tough.

Liam 2009-07-09T01:03:02Z Matt http://ihateWOW.tribe.net/thread/ec66f0dd-e8a3-4b58-ae98-94f5de34969b#a3f70dcf-f504-419b-b262-9d8872b1f256 2009-06-07T20:26:49Z 2009-06-07T20:26:49Z

There's a good point that you raise here. The difference between addiction and passion. Addiction: Is when one thing becomes so dominant, it is to the detriment of all other things in life. If gaming has become so big in your life you are no longer a resonsible human being, then you have a problem. This is then just like other drug or similar addicitons. Passion: When you are passionate about something it fills you with energy, adds to other things in life, and develops you as a person. Passions are positive and healthy. Addictions are negative and damaging. Some people can have gaming as a passion, for others it can be like an addiciton. Different people react in different ways.

Matt 2009-06-07T20:26:49Z Justin http://ihateWOW.tribe.net/thread/ec66f0dd-e8a3-4b58-ae98-94f5de34969b#7b4f2b66-68dd-42c7-916a-9bb18c4dccdb 2009-05-07T13:12:44Z 2009-05-07T13:12:44Z

I agree. When I complain about my shitty ass bullshit job where people look down their noses at me, snap their fingers at me and bark orders at me all day, people say "Be thankful you live in the greatest country in the world and have the LUXURY of a job." Yeah well, now I hear dumb girls complaining that they don't have control over their boyfriends. Yeah, seriously, be thankful you have the LUXURY of knowing he's not cheating on you. Bitches.

Justin 2009-05-07T13:12:44Z Nick http://ihateWOW.tribe.net/thread/ec66f0dd-e8a3-4b58-ae98-94f5de34969b#03fa030c-2576-439c-a489-3c56bf27352d 2009-01-30T05:41:51Z 2009-01-30T05:41:51Z

its also a game. which you need to realize. lolololol. your husband is weak for getting addicted, and your dumb for letting it escalate to that leve.

Nick 2009-01-30T05:41:51Z Apocolypstick http://ihateWOW.tribe.net/thread/ec66f0dd-e8a3-4b58-ae98-94f5de34969b#dc333d2e-4ab7-4387-b581-05bf459a09bc 2009-01-30T03:04:40Z 2009-01-30T03:04:40Z

you know what Dan... I've played wow. I had a Lv 35 Belf Hunter on Emerald Dream. I was in a guild, but I knew when to STOP PLAYING. I cannot tell you how many times my EX told my children he was "too busy" to play with them/feed them/clean them/shower them/or simply pay attention to them. TOO BUSY??? For his children. I don't give a rats ass if he's in a 40 man raid, or doing Instances. These are his children that HE WANTED that HE AGREED to care for. My daughter had vomited on herself (she's 18 months and was very, very sick with Gastro) I was upstairs showering our son, also sick with grastro who had just soiled himself in bed and I heard my ex tell our daughter our BABY "Sorry, baby, I'm Busy, go upstairs to mummy." WTF - she was covered in vomit, highly distressed and he was "too busy" to console her and clean her. I don't care who you are, what level you are, what uber-l33t guild your in, or what raid you're doing you are NOT EVER TOO BUSY FOR YOUR CHILD. So bite my ass, WOW is just as addictive, destructive and life ruining as anything else. It takes money away from the family, it takes affection, attention, love and support away from children and wives the world over. And they do not stay at home "usually with us" they are with their guildies on Vent, they have their headsets on shutting the world out. They MIGHT AS WELL be at the pub, or the casino, or the corner picking up smack. They are equally as irresponsible, ineffectual parents as any other addict is. You know what wow-fathers lose when the show up to their raids??? They lose their wives, and their children. That's far more important than some purple epic chest piece.

Apocolypstick 2009-01-30T03:04:40Z Nick http://ihateWOW.tribe.net/thread/ec66f0dd-e8a3-4b58-ae98-94f5de34969b#96db761f-6593-415a-b091-f48b30d1e793 2009-01-30T02:28:34Z 2009-01-30T02:28:34Z

"The point is that there is something about this game that causes people to choose WoW over real-life things." Really? Read my post. That should change your ignorant view.

Nick 2009-01-30T02:28:34Z JJ http://ihateWOW.tribe.net/thread/ec66f0dd-e8a3-4b58-ae98-94f5de34969b#300e8ffd-7c14-4c77-8082-667955ede0ca 2008-07-21T12:56:54Z 2008-07-21T12:56:54Z

The key phrase in the original post is "... WoW is just their choice to escape ..." The poster has entirely missed the point of what we're talking about here. There's something about this game where people are being presented with choices that he may never have been faced with, or really thought much about: 'WoW or Relationship?', 'WoW or kids'? 'Stick with this raid or have a conversation with my wife?', 'WoW or do something meaningful, learn something, do something I can talk to other people about?' The point is that there is something about this game that causes people to choose WoW over real-life things. The original poster has made such choices, but probably doesn't think they're a big deal. So what if a couple hours among those 50 days /played could have been spent making friends? Learning a language? Learning to play the guitar? Living life? But those little choices add up. An hour or two here and there become days on end. OK, you're uber-l33t in WoW. You could have been uber-l33t in life. It was your choice.

JJ 2008-07-21T12:56:54Z Sophie http://ihateWOW.tribe.net/thread/ec66f0dd-e8a3-4b58-ae98-94f5de34969b#1a41c2ae-7a15-47d7-86c5-c9b7f91329bc 2008-06-27T06:08:09Z 2008-06-27T06:08:09Z

How can someone feel "real accomplishment" from playing a video game!? That's just so sad... you know what would be a real accomplishment? Training for a charity marathon, or volunteering at a local organisation or animal shelter. I'm pretty sure they need your time, money and support more then the creators of WOW. And it'll teach you a lot more about real life then WOW ever could. Has playing WOW made any one a better person? Or improved their knowledge of the world outside the computer game? Judging by all the people writing on this forum I'd say not.

Sophie 2008-06-27T06:08:09Z Jimmy http://ihateWOW.tribe.net/thread/ec66f0dd-e8a3-4b58-ae98-94f5de34969b#c58ae1e9-82c3-4d5c-adc3-25c4bff41f4a 2008-04-25T00:03:03Z 2008-04-25T00:03:03Z

well then, how can u hate it if u have never even tried it? I mean, come on, if u give a glimpse for 10 minutes of wat it is like, maybe u wuld understand.

Jimmy 2008-04-25T00:03:03Z wowhatinwife http://ihateWOW.tribe.net/thread/ec66f0dd-e8a3-4b58-ae98-94f5de34969b#04baf918-df42-4ff1-b3d6-956b0534e47d 2008-04-07T23:41:42Z 2008-04-07T23:41:42Z

That's funny...us wives, girlfriends...etc. focus on the kids, housework, our jobs and everyday life in this world...not a fantasy world. If he/she is zoned out all of the time then somebody has to run the household here in the real world. That is the problem most of us have. Everything being dumped on us...NOT OUR SELF ESTEEM !!!!!!!! We give all we have to our families, jobs and home and they give all they have to that stupid game. WE should be the ones they talk to...not some person on a headset. I, personally, am starting to feel like a live in nanny and maid. Just a quarter of the attention on me than on that game would be nice. When you have 4 kids, his, mine and ours, and almost the only time you have together is at dinner, that I worked really hard to prepare, they should get off the stupid game and have dinner with their family at the table...and if he does come to the table he scarfs it sown so he doesn't let his team down during a raid...what about his FAMILY!? We are let down every time he is playing...because he is here but not really HERE. When you feel like you can't even talk to them without them getting frustrated...etc...THERE IS A PROBLEM WITH THEM...NOT US!!!!

wowhatinwife 2008-04-07T23:41:42Z Linda http://ihateWOW.tribe.net/thread/ec66f0dd-e8a3-4b58-ae98-94f5de34969b#8bb70cb1-321e-4550-b501-aee70a47084d 2008-04-01T14:19:25Z 2008-04-01T14:19:25Z

There are also RW resposibilities-missing out on a romantic dinner with significant other. Missing out on a child's game or recital. Missiing out on drinks or lunch with a friend. Missing out on baby's 1st steps or 1st words. A feeling of accopmlishment when you get new armor or kill a new demon? That is sad, truly sad. The more you accomplish gaming-the less you will accomplish or contribute to in the RW. I would bet that some of the WOW players drink alcohol or use recreational drugs while they play. How could a human being not feel slighted when WOW is picked over them? I suppose it's not that big of a deal to schedule going into labor around a raid or asking the school to schedule a recital or soccer game to a better date so you can go on a raid. Being in the same room with someone is not really a relationship. You can get that at a library-everyone in their own little world- but hey you are all together?! How long b4 all your RW friends/family stop calling/comming around. Oh wait-you wouldn't notice. You have your WOW friends/network.

Linda 2008-04-01T14:19:25Z Kate http://ihateWOW.tribe.net/thread/ec66f0dd-e8a3-4b58-ae98-94f5de34969b#4108fd85-b9a0-4833-8f3f-0be1935b1f8b 2007-10-09T03:14:00Z 2007-10-09T03:14:00Z

To explain further, I don't intend to ask him to quit because we've found a compromise that works ok for us at this point. We work split shifts - and once the kids are in bed on weekdays - he is free to spend the majority of his free time as he wishes. However, if WoW was to take precedence over the day-to-day stuff or sleep, then it would become an issue. Others who read this board and are married - correct me if I'm wrong - but day-to-day life with young children can be very monotonous. I like to read. He hates it. He likes to play WoW. I hate it. We each turn to something that helps us keep our wits and is relatively inexpensive as a past-time. That said - there is a big difference. I can put down a book in a second. WoW is just not that way . That is my biggest pet peeve about it - it can steal so much of a person's time - if you let it. I'm really not trying to defend it. Just trying to share how we're managing.

Kate 2007-10-09T03:14:00Z john http://ihateWOW.tribe.net/thread/ec66f0dd-e8a3-4b58-ae98-94f5de34969b#a8f1bb01-5794-4277-a952-82fe5e8c3784 2007-10-05T02:27:57Z 2007-10-05T02:27:57Z

Oh yeah? Try it.

john 2007-10-05T02:27:57Z Kate http://ihateWOW.tribe.net/thread/ec66f0dd-e8a3-4b58-ae98-94f5de34969b#ed93fa57-71bc-4786-bafa-bc7674a125ff 2007-09-28T19:13:08Z 2007-09-28T19:13:08Z

I don't deny the fact that this is a very unique game with so many facets to it that it is just unbelievable. I know that my husband has made MANY good friends in WoW,and some of those friendships have translated to real-life meetups with people with whom we are currently friends. Your theory is that we should be 'thankful' that they are at home on the computer. I'd like to suggest that most of us would be pretty happy if they were home and engaging in conversation, playing with our children, doing yardwork....doing something productive in the REAL world and conversing about things that actually matter. One of my biggest peeves is the WoWtalk permeates our regular conversation. I have forbidden it as a topic of conversation when we are in mixed company with other couples/family that do not play WoW. I think it becomes ridiculous to talk about "how Magg got to 5%" or "this pally bubbled the whole time". Who really cares? It certainly has no relevance in my life. Also, if my husband isn't physically playing the game it still affects our life - he is on the phone talking about it with his best friend, he is on the forums trolling for new strategies or on the guild website reading posts, or on Thottbot. It is a serious compulsion for some people. If I switched roles with him for a week - he might understand. But I seriously think he would never do it...it would kill him to see me messing up his character. Long ago, as a joke, I used his password to get into his account on WoW, and I created a new character "WOWBLOWS" and when he got on the computer that evening it freaked him out pretty bad. I think he believed someone had hacked his account and messed up other things. I could, however, change his password completely and take hostage his account -- but I'd never do that. It just seems over-the-top and unnecessary. If I asked him to quit, I know he would.

Kate 2007-09-28T19:13:08Z rebecca http://ihateWOW.tribe.net/thread/ec66f0dd-e8a3-4b58-ae98-94f5de34969b#a331956e-d7fa-43d6-a154-08a07085665c 2007-07-14T14:08:30Z 2007-07-14T14:08:30Z

of course you're going to stick up for wow ...you play it! you're not being objective towards the topic because you're clearly biased.

rebecca 2007-07-14T14:08:30Z two http://ihateWOW.tribe.net/thread/ec66f0dd-e8a3-4b58-ae98-94f5de34969b#8adca030-1f6b-4c95-9391-2653a5ec2ea5 2007-07-13T00:58:08Z 2007-07-13T00:58:08Z

yes everyone needs to relax but when an activity ANY activity consumes a person to a point where they are neglectful of relationships or respondsibilities then they have problems. That's great that you can find enjoyment in WOW and still manage other aspects of your life but some people can't. I have seen a close friend play all night long sleeping two hours going to work and then playing again. He of course lost many of his friends and stopped going to school. When you let something such as wow consume you it becomes harmful

two 2007-07-13T00:58:08Z Marlon http://ihateWOW.tribe.net/thread/ec66f0dd-e8a3-4b58-ae98-94f5de34969b#606de12b-5fce-49c3-bda2-54a47023026e 2007-07-11T09:48:07Z 2007-07-11T09:48:07Z

"You should all be thankful your objects of rage arent addicted to heroin, or alcohol, they stay home, usually with you, just not conversing with you rather then go off gallivanting somewhere else." # Just because your addicted to one thing, doen't mean you'll scamper away to another addiction once you break it. # Physical pressence and nothing more does not a relationship make. Yes it is a Social Network, but it shouldn't take presedence over RL relationships. The feelings of accomplishment are the very reasons it addictive, Responsibility online in a fleeting moment is a poor substitute for RL.

Marlon 2007-07-11T09:48:07Z Dan http://ihateWOW.tribe.net/thread/ec66f0dd-e8a3-4b58-ae98-94f5de34969b#97d9b98d-2a5b-4331-922a-9dc0ea2f1839 2007-07-06T23:12:08Z 2007-07-06T23:12:08Z

Many of you posting here I just don't think you understand. WoW isn't merely a game, its a social network as well, You talk to your friends there like you would over AIM. You get a feeling of accomplishment when you get new armor or kill a demon your group hasn't before. If you are in a guild, as an officer, you DO have a responsibility. If your lover is in a raid guild YES HE LOOSES OUT IF THEY MISS A RAID. You should all be thankful your objects of rage arent addicted to heroin, or alcohol, they stay home, usually with you, just not conversing with you rather then go off gallivanting somewhere else. Take my case of my 200 or so guild members (and others on my server) I have 28 people I went to college with, that are all over the world, Only place we get together, azeroth. another 16 or so people I went to high school with and many other countless people Ive befriended on AIM or a forum somewhere or a chat room on Donovan. The problem isnt with those playing wow its with your self esteem. IF they gave up Wow, guess what, they'd be watching the red sox or Patriots or god forbid basketball, or going golfing or to the bar anything! You all seem to be blaming WoW, when Wow is just their choice to escape. Maybe at work their boss is a jerk, they get yelled at and berated all day, and rather then come home and fooking flip out on you when you ask about stuff, they go and slay dragons instead. Humans need escape from their daily lives, thats why we invented Sports, and Music, and Theatre, and the best video game that has ever been produced, and stands to change the face is video games FOREVER: World of Warcraft less QQ and more Pew Pew Noobs and LRN2HEAL, we need some more priests for our raids! We'll get you EPIX and help you to become UBER1337!

Dan 2007-07-06T23:12:08Z