I have never asked a person who seemed to be legitimately expressing their grief to stop trolling. Personal attacks such as the OP's I have commented on. Spammed postings I have commented on. I've even told the WoW-loving trolls to take a hike; should I have stayed quiet and let them insult and abuse a little longer?

"...but try to consider how we feel for a second!"
I would not respond if I hadn't. Believe me, I do try. And I have been in a similar situation, and I have spoken of it here and in the other group before. If you've only chosen to see my comments in trolling I'm not surprised that you hadn't read that or found the thread at all.

"And I don't really think it is much of a help to tell us to leave them."
And I don't think it gets any of you anywhere to be 'left in your own misery' without any source of healing or anyone to talk to that won't just further bog everyone in the mire of loathing and depression and blaming. What is the point in coming somewhere and telling these huge depressing stories if you aren't then going to _do_ anything about it? Why waste the energy and the time? If you and others are content to wallow in misery, why bother going online to do so? Why bother looking for others to connect to and bemoaning the fact that there's nothing to be done when there is something to do? When you could gather your things, swallow your pride, tell the person "I'm worth more than a game" and walk out? Yes, it is hard. Yes, it sucks. Yes, it means you actually have to do something and that you're actually in danger of having to do something without a partner for a while. But is that really worse than sitting five feet away from someone for the rest of your life who is mentally states away? Someone who quite happily ignores you as they laugh and carry on with other friends? That is the image presented by the majority of people who post here, that their significant other is carrying on at life without them via a video game. Why should they have to stand by and wait?

"...it is human to be hurt, angry and dissapointed"
Of course it is. It is also human to move on, rather than wallow in self-pity while commiserating about how awful their husbands and wives are for choosing a video game over themselves. If groups like these actually offered some form of help I'd be all for them. As is, the people that do come here looking for help and advise only get swallowed by the game-blaming and hate because, and no offense meant, people like you tell people like myself to go away because no one wants our help. Because everyone wants to be left alone in their own pool of unhappy.

"Maybe you are right and they don't deserve our patience and effords and distress..."
What would you like me to think? I hear only one side of a story, and usually it's the worst part of that one side. I don't know the nuances, I don't know about the way his eyes shine when he smiles, the way he always sticks around to cuddle after making love; I don't know any of these things -- all I'm ever told is, and this is just the gist of it, "This person is bad because they ignore me to play that evil devil-game." I'm left with very few options of what to think if I don't want to go off the deep end of specculation: One, that this person is exactly the 2d image presented to us by the grieving poster. Two, that the person is really okay but that WoW is a life-sucking demon... ('hey, wait a sec... I play that game, and I still work, and keep up a social life, and so do all of my playing friends. I'm not sure about this one.' that's something of the thought process I have, by the by.) Or Three, that I'm not hearing the whole story and that maybe there's something more going on in the relationship.

So in the past I'd remarked on the third option, because it seemed the safest in terms of understanding that there are likely more issues than just this one. And people really disliked me for that -- how dare I assume that the relationship were in peril. After all, a healthy relationship is just as obviously ready to come to a sudden and grinding halt over a _video game_ as one in rocky straights, right? Option two has never been anything in my mind. D&D was called a game of satan, Everquest was and still is called the same things as WoW, and any game or passing fad that takes up anyone's time as a hobby they enjoy is going to have the same spears hurled at it. So that leaves me with option One: Ignore the fact that there are more sides to this story, and focus completely on what has been posted.

Yes, they're human beings! Of course they deserve patience and respect and effort! But if you want me to think this, you (the group, collectively) have to treat them that way! Those of us here to help only know what you tell us. Some of you could be our neighbours, and thanks to the wonders of internet anonymity, we would never know it. Don't be angry with us for being ignorant of the situation when we haven't even got a tenth of the story to work with.

As for people that have solved their relationship problems? I wouldn't know. Those that actually discuss the issue and seem ready to do something about it, they don't tend to post here or at the other group very often if at all. I really hope that everything has worked out for them. And for the bit of it not being a problem of the game? If it didn't exist, relationship problems still would. The game is there to provide entertainment and limited escape, it was never intended to be a soul-sucking, relationship-destroying, child-luring demon. It is a Game. It will never be more than a Game. I understand that it's easier to blame something like WoW that can't fight back, that can't tell you it isn't its fault. I understand that it's easier to say, 'The creators did this on purpose just to make money!' Well, sure, they wanted to make some money -- they have families to feed, too. But they didn't make it to cause strife in relationships or to encourage people with mental issues to sit and play until they were physically ill or worse.

It is a game. The creators are only human. It seems to me that people come here with the devil in their minds because that's so much easier to cling to than the thought that a long-term relationship could be ending, and that a game is just a crutch used by one part of that pairing so that he or she does not have to own up to their fading feelings. It could be alcohol, it could be drugs, it could be an affair, but it is a game.

With that said, I'm utterly spent. I've divulged time and patience to try to help, I've spent hours speaking with people who would spit on me rather than look at me, and engrossed in conversation with those who would accept my attempts at help. I've had the pleasure of finding shared interests with people here, in making connections and being a help that I otherwise could never have had. I've told my sad story and tried to dredge up all the raw feelings as an idea of what people here feel like, and at the end of the day? You accuse me of trolling, of being dismissive.

So you win. You want to be left to your misery? Do. I hope things work out for you, and I appreciate it if you've read through all of this, but once this is posted I will no longer belong to this or the other wow-hating group. I hope you heal. I hope you move on. I wish only the best for all of you. I hope you stop wasting your energy pitying yourselves and realize that life is far too short to huddle in the darkness hating a video game. The people here that blame WoW for all their problems are just as obsessed with the game as any of the people they post about.