Tribe.net. Local Connections Sara http://ihateWOW.tribe.net/thread/007572a0-97f6-465c-bcaa-001247341128#910e6895-0c2e-4a28-be7a-18689b85643c 2009-07-18T13:58:45Z 2009-07-18T13:58:45Z

Clearly you are a loser... get a life and get off WoW the home wrecker!!

Sara 2009-07-18T13:58:45Z Tabatha http://ihateWOW.tribe.net/thread/007572a0-97f6-465c-bcaa-001247341128#32eb9ae3-6331-42e9-8b7b-ab8586da76a6 2009-07-15T00:16:46Z 2009-07-15T00:16:46Z

I just don't understand why someone who likes World of Warcraft would be on this site in the first place.. I assumed this was for people to vent their frustrations to others with the same problems. If I wanted to argue with someone about WoW I would just go into the bedroom and start an argument right now. Yes I guess you are right, people are their own person and can do whatever they please. Doesn't make it right though. What about when a spouse decides to cheat on the other? They are their own person, can do whatever they want. So I guess it's just all fine and dandy huh? I don't particularly think a judge would think so in divorce court. Everyone is entitled to have hobbies. (Like drinking for instance) You do it on the weekends, I guess that's okay right? Have fun on your free time. No harm in that. Now you start drinking everynight after you come home from work. Not good for your health but I guess it could be socially acceptable. Now you've been out of work for almost two years now just so you can "drink" from the moment you get out of bed till the time you go to sleep. Only to stray away from the "bottle" long enough to go to the bathroom, get something to eat or hopefully get lucky. Then the lucky becomes unlucky and they don't understand why. So don't tell me we are pathetic. You don't know everyones scenerio. Yes I guess it could all be blamed on me because I just don't get up and walk out. However, i do still love this "alcoholic" and i dont want to see him slowly kill himself because of it. He's gained a ridiculous amount of weight because of it. He's loosing his friends, his family, his career and possibly his relationship. We share a child so it's not a simple decision to just get up and leave. Before "alcohol" we used to go places, play board games, watch tv shows together, play with our child together. He would do the chores I couldn't do because of my allergies... Now I've resorted to a bandana, gloves and a long sleeve shirt in 110 degree heat. We would have in depth intelligent conversations. Now our conversations consist of guilds and blood elves, paladins and warlocks. He used to sing for me, enjoy bowling once in awhile, he even used to take showers. It's all gone now and yes I'm not going to take responsibility and say it's all because of that game. It definitly has to be my faut that he's let every other aspect in life become non exsistent. Yes I'm completely responsible for letting him neglect everything that used to be important. Don't you think any of these people have tried talking to them first? It doesn't work so now I'm on this website trying to talk to people who understand. If you don't like what people are saying about your beloved game then just get off this website. Get back on WoW and be in that fantasy world. I wish I had a happy place to go to. Instead I'm dealing with the real world, real money, real work to be done and get nothing in return. Very heartless to come here and scrutinize people who are at their last whim. People looking for help and support to save their relationships with their loved ones. At this point I'm not bitching, I'm crying. I'm pleading for help. I'm scared because it's getting towards the end of the road and I can't figure out a way to get him to turn the car around and come back to me. But I suppose you think that is just as pathetic.

Tabatha 2009-07-15T00:16:46Z Liam http://ihateWOW.tribe.net/thread/007572a0-97f6-465c-bcaa-001247341128#fa07bd94-c994-44fd-89a3-11237ee1677f 2009-07-09T00:33:53Z 2009-07-09T00:33:53Z

Yeah but I'll get arrested if I swing a sword at a real animal, just not as fun. And the blood gets on my shoes of +3 sarcasm

Liam 2009-07-09T00:33:53Z Liam http://ihateWOW.tribe.net/thread/007572a0-97f6-465c-bcaa-001247341128#22b61b30-2896-4d4f-8f21-204779776b4e 2009-07-09T00:33:03Z 2009-07-09T00:33:03Z

Telling me to STFU? FOr agreeing with him? Your friend? What is this all about, I just said I agreed with Dan and you claim to be his friend, are you not on his side or something.

Liam 2009-07-09T00:33:03Z Vu http://ihateWOW.tribe.net/thread/007572a0-97f6-465c-bcaa-001247341128#e297bd21-714b-427a-bacb-b762cbfa6243 2009-07-08T00:16:40Z 2009-07-08T00:16:40Z

o..m..g..Dan? If you are who I think you are then let me just say one thing...LOL WASSUP BUDDY!!! lol hi everyone who hates WoW and Liam you can stfu you fucking wanker =D If this Dan is the Dan I'm thinking of then let me say I'm his friend irl :P HOLLA

Vu 2009-07-08T00:16:40Z Liam http://ihateWOW.tribe.net/thread/007572a0-97f6-465c-bcaa-001247341128#b9eb5bb3-013e-4bf7-859f-dee6471db2cd 2009-07-03T19:33:32Z 2009-07-03T19:33:32Z

You selfish bitch

Liam 2009-07-03T19:33:32Z Liam http://ihateWOW.tribe.net/thread/007572a0-97f6-465c-bcaa-001247341128#3d6c1548-0c64-4d3c-b5e4-5f591ccba3ec 2009-07-03T19:30:13Z 2009-07-03T19:30:13Z

Oh god, I think I'm in love. You share the same views as me. Thanks god. Selfish no. Maybe it's you guys with the selfish outlook. You bitch about friends and relatives playing but it's not your place to say anything. You can't intervene you aren't their boss and you most certaintly cannot comment on what they do with their own time. You guys are selfish for wanting your friend/spouse/relative to do what YOU think is right and to fuckery with what they want. This whole site is one big goddamn troll again WoW players. Why don't you fuck off and leave us you alone. Honestly.

Liam 2009-07-03T19:30:13Z nvg70 http://ihateWOW.tribe.net/thread/007572a0-97f6-465c-bcaa-001247341128#b2d42614-fc1e-46c4-a2d4-823eea05bcb2 2009-06-29T23:30:15Z 2009-06-29T23:30:15Z

hahahahahahahahaha wow this thread is funny. Hmmm lets think here, a WOW addict calling this group pathetic. Hmmmmm what's pathetic is someone who plays this vile game for hours, nay days or weeks non stop. Never coming out of their room, never advancing themselves in life whatsoever. There's a word for someone like this, a LOSER, it's cruel but true. Come on turn the damn computer off for once, and walk outside.....WOOOOOOOOOOOOOW there's a world here too........hey look when you talk to people here they really are there, right in front of you. Look! a REAL animal, REAL buildings, and a REAL job that oh wow look you can make REAL money with, instead of mooching off your mom for the rest of your life. Ive seen this first hand, a friend of mine, who literally plays that infernal game 24 hours a day!!!!!!!, never leaves his room for anything, no job, no school anymore, his room smells like str8 up @$$ because he never cleans himself. it's pathetic. To all you WOWers who refuse to get a job, go to school, or leave the damn computer for at least 2 hours a day, goodness get a life!!! if there were ever a situation where computers all went down, you people wouldnt know what to do! OMG you mean I have to face reality, and a real life now! OMG I dont know what to do! I havnt been outside in years!!! There's plenty of things to do here in the real world, and to you wowers that play multible characters at once give me a f@$#ing break, seriously get help right away, quick. There's a life beyond the 1's and 0's of the life you think you live in.

nvg70 2009-06-29T23:30:15Z Matt http://ihateWOW.tribe.net/thread/007572a0-97f6-465c-bcaa-001247341128#660cce7c-ec1f-47bd-ace2-f31fd26cd15a 2009-06-07T20:11:35Z 2009-06-07T20:11:35Z

It's not the game to blame, you cant blame the devs for making a good product. The OP makes some fair points in some instances about choice and decision making, but then contradicts himself. He is however living in complete oblivion about where he needs to be responsible. He's pretty delusional and exhibits all signs of being a hard-core gaming addict. He would only be happy if he were being fully supported to play WoW while people run around and do everything else for him in life. He dopes indeed need help. People are not to blame for their addictive behaviour, it's pretty much a part of their biology. They are responsible for the choices they make and whether or not they want to act as a reasonable human beings, and how they deal with their addictive behaviour. WoW is by it's very nature addictive. The devs have created a product wheich they want people to keep playing, in order that they see return in the investment they have to keep making to further develop it, and to create value for their shareholders, it's business sense. If you are playing and you feel you can't handle it responsibly then you should stop. I am a game lover, and an ex-gamer, who stopped playing because I could not play reasonably. I needed all or nothing. I learnt some good lessons there, which is why I have set up quitwownow.com an advice forum for people who also want to kick the WoW habit and get back to living. Drop by the site if you want to quit playing WoW for good.

Matt 2009-06-07T20:11:35Z Justin http://ihateWOW.tribe.net/thread/007572a0-97f6-465c-bcaa-001247341128#3f9e498e-8f59-46d7-9631-d1b3ec974c42 2009-05-07T13:21:15Z 2009-05-07T13:21:15Z

I agree with OP. It's mostly girls complaining that the men in their lives won't do what they want. Anyone interested in more information should type in "MGTOW" on in the google bar.

Justin 2009-05-07T13:21:15Z Kim http://ihateWOW.tribe.net/thread/007572a0-97f6-465c-bcaa-001247341128#a8f1b8e3-c259-4691-97b1-58e72ad81b69 2008-12-02T15:15:57Z 2008-12-02T15:15:57Z

I do blame the person, they are choosing to play the game and not take responsiblity for their life, they are expecting others to take care of the really world stuff so they can live in the illusionary world, Also if they are married and have children they have a responsiblity to their spouse and definately their children, guess they should have decided to go live in a hole by themselves if they didn't want the responsiblity they signed up for , take care of your responsibilities and then you can have your freedom and y our fun, but realize the game is just that a game not reality, if you don't play the game nobody dies, if you neglect your spouse and children, a marriage dies, your children suffer, the orc will be fine sitting in cyberspace, believe it or not he won't even notice or miss you,

Kim 2008-12-02T15:15:57Z Tawnee http://ihateWOW.tribe.net/thread/007572a0-97f6-465c-bcaa-001247341128#684a5c53-c2ff-4a0d-826d-d1d71417c538 2007-10-21T07:25:23Z 2007-10-21T07:25:23Z

Daniel, so you have the RIGHT to play wow as much as you like yet your parents are meant to pay for your education? Are you under 18? If not, get of your arse and go to work to pay for it, like the rest of us do. The world does NOT owe you anything. My mum died of cancer, my sons father died when he was a baby, blah, blah, blah. We all have shit happen, but adults deal with it, not hide in a game. Grow up!

Tawnee 2007-10-21T07:25:23Z Andre http://ihateWOW.tribe.net/thread/007572a0-97f6-465c-bcaa-001247341128#3695624a-49f5-4721-868c-533893622f49 2007-10-16T04:39:34Z 2007-10-16T04:39:34Z

My wife has started play WOW non-stop and I hate. She claims that she is not addicted to it but whenever I bring up that she playing too much she gets all defensive. She has now this one special friend she talks to offline as well. I really don't know what to do but I am sick and tired of this stupid game. She plays right when we get home from work and on the three days a week she doesn't play, she so tired from staying up the night before (3:00 or 4:00) in the morning she's sleep by 7:00 (we ge home between 5:30 and 6:00). So I completely understand everyone's grief. In our marrage right now I feel so alone, and what's worst we have kids............ So I really don't appreciate any comments from Daniel about how they have a right to play anytime they want. They also have responsibilies to people in the real world also!!!!!!

Andre 2007-10-16T04:39:34Z Jane http://ihateWOW.tribe.net/thread/007572a0-97f6-465c-bcaa-001247341128#c60417b1-08e0-4eee-ac56-32fc46812a4b 2007-10-09T21:58:25Z 2007-10-09T21:58:25Z

I bet he's still a virgin.

Jane 2007-10-09T21:58:25Z Kate http://ihateWOW.tribe.net/thread/007572a0-97f6-465c-bcaa-001247341128#ea0cab0c-7d37-4c89-8377-0799494979ad 2007-09-28T17:00:24Z 2007-09-28T17:00:24Z

"Well if he doesn't have a job and spends no time with you or the kids, then you do have a right to complain. But if he does have a job, like you mentioned, and he does spend time with you and the kids then you have nothing to complain about. He isn't emotionally neglecting you or the kids, he just chooses to spend his leisure time on WoW, there is nothing wrong with that what so ever. I have roomates and friends who think I'm married to them, and they get jealous if I spend too much time on WoW and that annoys me. I spend time with them, but they get angry because I spend more time on WoW. They fail to realize that I have friends on WoW also, just how your husband and all of these WoW players you all bitch about have friends on WoW they enjoy to hang out with. So you can call yourself a "widow" all you want. But if you husband still spends minimal time with you and the kids, nothing is wrong in the household what so ever. You think that if people spend their leisure time on WoW it is selfish because it is for their own happiness? Well it is their right to spend THIER OWN leisure time regardless if it makes other people happy or not. No one should have to care about other peoples happiness while they are on their own leisure time. It makes me angry how people use the word "selfish". My definition of selfish is how people intrude on OTHER people just so they can be happy. It doesn't matter if someone has a family or not, if they do something that only makes themselves happy, they should feel guilty in the slightest. Just how I shouldn't feel guilty if I feel unsadisfied with my life, and choose to spend my time on WoW. I have a right to not be happy with the real world, so I turn to an alter world. If anyone I know bitches and moans about it, tough shit for them, its my own right. As for Charlie who wrote how WoW was designed to be addictive. Well its only addictive if the person allows it to be addictive. Its a wonderfully designed PC game with its own world. Its not brainwashing players to keep playing, but you people talk as if its something like ciggerettes. " ****** I had to quote from one of Daniel's posts. I'm blown away that you think that its ok for a person's leisure time to be spent entirely on WoW. My husband of 10 years has been playing WoW for the past 2-1/2 years - during which time we had twins and are working split shifts. Is it fair that he gets 3-12 hours per day to play WoW in his "free time" while I do not even get 15 minutes of free time all day long...every day? Is it fair that I do all the laundry, dishes, cooking, bathing, shopping, etc because he would rather play a game? Real life doesn't stand still while hours and hours are spent staring at a computer. Wake up! This game is set up in a way that it sucks players in - at first a player can accomplish quests and things on their own, but eventually they need to work with others in instances and guild events in order to acquire gear and advance with their character. Some of these instances are 4+ hours long, and then there are daily quests, etc. I have explained to my husband on many occasions to realize that the choices that he makes affect me and our children. Sure, its an intriguing game, but if there is no balance - it wreaks havoc on a person and all the people in their life. And, its nearly impossible to have balance once your character(s) are at level 70, involved in guild life, instances, etc. My solution has been to set a limit so that he can play only after the kids are in bed at night now. Still - he gets a minimum of 3 hours per day to PLAY A GAME. I'm lucky if I get time to take a shower in MY free time. I've slowly been scheduling in other outings that take us away from the house and away from the computer in a hopes of loosening WoW's grasp on him. I've warned him that when he is finished playing this game (I will not make him quit it, but I have every right to bitch if appropriate) I will take up a hobby that will consume every spare minute of my free time and it will be his turn to take care of this house and everything in it. I would gladly spend a few years taking dance lessons, scrapbooking, working out, going back to school or whatever "jobby" I choose that forces him to take on the regular responsibilities. I deserve it too then, right? Our kids deserve a father who is "present" and I remind him of that all the time. So, as for you Daniel....I suggest you take a good hard look at yourself and what you're contributing to your life to actually make your real life better or if this game is contaminating it. Ii don't think there will be many people who on their deathbed say "Geez, I wish I could have played more WoW." That is NOT what matters in this world.

Kate 2007-09-28T17:00:24Z David http://ihateWOW.tribe.net/thread/007572a0-97f6-465c-bcaa-001247341128#ade3e1be-cee5-4bad-a958-3212e1a2c451 2007-09-25T04:53:30Z 2007-09-25T04:53:30Z

A bit harsh but as for you point QFT

David 2007-09-25T04:53:30Z gavin http://ihateWOW.tribe.net/thread/007572a0-97f6-465c-bcaa-001247341128#dfa27308-0c3b-40cf-83cc-f0bbe46e6389 2007-09-14T06:08:38Z 2007-09-14T06:08:38Z

I used to be a tiny bit addicted to this game and i agree with both sides it did rip me and my family apart and it was my own falt. But i conquered that by just stopping and 6 months later starting in moderation. I would suggest doing this to anyone who needs help to get over a wow addiction or a verging on wow addiction. When i got addicted i spent money and lots of time over the internet and I didn't get any essays or studdies done at all so i just decided one day that it was out of hand. Also No affence dude but you need to take a chill pill, relax and try and look at yourself through the guys in this forums eyes. You seem just like an asshole to me. Like my mum used to say to me "if you don't have anything nice to say don't say anything at all". You keep talking about the 'RIGHTS' in your posts but i mean seriously think what your saying these guys have the 'RIGHT' to their own oppinion. If you read some of the posts you would realise that people are not here to supposidly 'Piss' on the game because i wouldn't like that but more just trying to overcome some things wrong so i mean its there 'RIGHT' (yep theres that word again) to be able to help each other in peace without people like you shouting at them calling them pathetic. I went to a site like this ages ago to try and overcome my addition (it might have even been this one) and they helped me to overcome it. There would have been a time when I could not have been able to think of not going on WOW as soon as i got home. but now i am actually happier and feel better going out with freinds and making myself a better person not my character a better thing. I'm not saying WOW is bad I started going on recently but i play it like once a week and thats mainly so i can meet up with some overseas freinds and my dad. It also is a game and i use like a normal game just for average fun. I feel great not being addicted and i feel great playing it . Basically all you need to do to fix this problem is ballance sit down and talk about ballance and it will work out eventually. Sorry if i effended anyone this was mainly aimed at that daniel guy who started this post. :)

gavin 2007-09-14T06:08:38Z Cassy http://ihateWOW.tribe.net/thread/007572a0-97f6-465c-bcaa-001247341128#1659cde3-f7ae-434b-8eea-e554e08c97ec 2007-08-27T04:08:10Z 2007-08-27T04:08:10Z

this is a man who will spend the rest of his life playing wow from his mom's basement. You're outnumbered here kiddo. Don't post something just for the sake of stirring the dust. It makes you look bad, not visa versa.

Cassy 2007-08-27T04:08:10Z Jimmy http://ihateWOW.tribe.net/thread/007572a0-97f6-465c-bcaa-001247341128#2332f348-20eb-4dc7-8577-1a489d52d040 2007-07-03T02:13:35Z 2007-07-03T02:13:35Z

the problem is, your not seeing it from the addicts point of view. I was addicted for 2 years, playing nonstop, and it required a huge amount of effort to stop, The way pretty much every WoW player sees it, if you haven't played the game and know what is like to be addicted, then we don't need to listen to you.

Jimmy 2007-07-03T02:13:35Z Jimmy http://ihateWOW.tribe.net/thread/007572a0-97f6-465c-bcaa-001247341128#1dbadc59-2cfc-497b-afe7-51cfdf0b3471 2007-07-03T02:06:53Z 2007-07-03T02:06:53Z

shut up. what gives u the fucking right to tell people to kill themselves. U dont no wat it is like to be addicted to a game like this. I dont blame Wow for wat it does to people, they made a good product, and people bought it. get over urself. What the fuck do u care if we all spend our lives playing this game, from wat ur post says, u dont seem to give a shit about any1 other than urself. so FUCK OFF.

Jimmy 2007-07-03T02:06:53Z PJ http://ihateWOW.tribe.net/thread/007572a0-97f6-465c-bcaa-001247341128#c8f0b364-eded-4c61-b881-21b059506c1f 2007-05-15T14:07:34Z 2007-05-15T14:07:34Z

How existential of you. I like your post, but I disagree on a few points at the same time. The whole point of business is to have returning customers. Therefore, it's no surprise the creators of WoW or any MMORPG want a person to come keep the $15/month fees going. It just pisses me off how blind some people are in allowing themselves to be used for greed's purposes.

PJ 2007-05-15T14:07:34Z Charlie http://ihateWOW.tribe.net/thread/007572a0-97f6-465c-bcaa-001247341128#56b207d9-2fb7-495d-9c50-b384584cbb1e 2007-05-10T11:13:19Z 2007-05-10T11:13:19Z

Daniel, to be honest you should just kill yourself now. You obviously have an unhealthy passion for the game, and have probably never loved anyone so can't understand what most of these people are going / have been through.

Charlie 2007-05-10T11:13:19Z Cody http://ihateWOW.tribe.net/thread/007572a0-97f6-465c-bcaa-001247341128#003cdfe8-255e-418a-a68d-ff18007509cf 2007-05-07T17:36:11Z 2007-05-07T17:36:11Z

Daniel, I think you are quite confused. Arguing with you appears to be getting nowhere. Reading about what is happening to you and your opinion about escaping from the real world into a game is a bit alarming. You hurt and your trying to cope. I would encourage you to seek some help. Dealing with real life can be hard, but there are other ways to deal with real life crap than escaping into a video game. Not to say you have to stop wow, but seek out some other additional ways to help deal. You have a conflict in your life that contradicts your opinion. You say it's your right to play the game, but because you do you are failing classes and your parents are not paying your tuition. It's their right not to pay, just as it's your right to play. People do have rights, but what's important is how those rights work together. I think that connection is lost in you. You appear to have no value to family which may be related you the pains you are dealing with. Family is important, just as your online family is important. You have found a family online, I am in a guild too and I enjoy typing and talking with them. But I have other familys too. I am in theater and am currently managing a musical in a community theater. We are a tight loving family. I am also in a fire performance gorup which is a tight loving supportive family. Then there is burningman which is a huge family and I get to see my frineds and family from accross the planet which I only see online otherwise. I have done Rennaisance faires which was a family and I have competed in sports where the team is a family. My point is you can find what you have in wow in many other places. The more families you have other than the hereditary ones the better life is. You then have a support network that helps you through hard times. But you have to go find them. You have to work with them, respect them love them and suffer with them. Wow has great value in the sence that it provides a community and family. But it is too easy for some. Some people get too attatched because it is so easy just to log in. You don't have to do the other stuff it takes to make a family. Sure you have to work, help out others by questing suffering through wipe after wipe. But there are other family out there that you can spend time with, then go home. Escaping too much will hurt you. You are an adult and cannot keep failing classes. If your parents are stopping your tuition they may stop more if you keep escaping. If you need to escape that much, you may need help. Ask your parents for help. Say "hey, I know I play this game allot, but I need it. I am hurting here and I need help." Reguarding the title of the tribe, yah there is a bunch of bitching here too. But it is their right to bitch, just as it is your right to play. Respect that and do your own thing. If you are attacking it ask yourself why? Why bother attacking it when you could be off persuing your own happiness. You are angry and flairing out at anything. This means you are suffering and need help. Have the courage to go find it and be truily happy. Best of luck Cody

Cody 2007-05-07T17:36:11Z Daniel http://ihateWOW.tribe.net/thread/007572a0-97f6-465c-bcaa-001247341128#3781b221-362a-43aa-8176-b1eda690daea 2007-05-05T17:29:26Z 2007-05-05T17:29:26Z

Edit: Please erase the post I wrote under Cody's post. There is no edit or delete button on these forum boards. Ok Where should I start? First off with Cody, ok this may be a "support" forum board for people who bitch and moan how they have friends and loved ones who play WoW, but the title of the Tribe "I hate WoW" simply states you all are pissing on the game just because you feel that it takes time between your friends and loved ones and yourself. As I said earlier, don't blame the game, blame yourself or if nessesary blame the person. As for your whole issue on family matters, as long as the husband or wife financially provides for the family, and spend minimal time with their family they are doing nothing wrong what so ever. They have every right in the world to spend every night on WoW, because they have friends on WoW, as well as a life. Where I live, I have friends that I live with who always bitch at me because I'm on WoW. I spend my time the way how I CHOOSE to spend my own time, just how the people you all bitch about have a right to spend their time the way they see fit, not you. So you and WoWwidow say how that people choosing to live in a virtual world for some time is a drain on the family and what even offends me more, being selfish? I'm sorry but the way how I see it is, you people are the ones who are being selfish. You all fail to acknowledge that your loved ones need space, and how it is THEIR LEGAL RIGHT to have a virtual life. As you said before, people have to be productive members of society, but as long as they work and financially support the family, they are being productive, and if they want to turn to WoW for personal space and for THIER happiness, then they have every right in the world to do so. Addiction hurts everyone? Well you people are letting it hurt you, before you all complain about the game or your loved ones/friends, you should take a good look at yourselves. Right now I am just about sick of everything in the real world. After all the shit that happened from where I live, I decided to take a trip to my family's house, and now more shit is happening to me. My family is threatening to not pay for my tutition, they are forcing me to move to a different place, and they are still bitching at me because I play WoW too much. It's my own personal life! The way how I see it right now, is that real life is nothing more than something I have to put up with. Back from where I live, I failed my college courses, one of my best friends and roomates attempted suicide, and now I'm being forced to move AGAIN!!!!!!! GOD I'm sick of it! As for WidWoW, or I think I should refer to you as WoW widow (give me a break), I can't help but noticed you made the topic title "you are pathetic" in which I was just thinking you were pissing on me. You were complaining how your husband spends time on WoW too much. Well if he doesn't have a job and spends no time with you or the kids, then you do have a right to complain. But if he does have a job, like you mentioned, and he does spend time with you and the kids then you have nothing to complain about. He isn't emotionally neglecting you or the kids, he just chooses to spend his leisure time on WoW, there is nothing wrong with that what so ever. I have roomates and friends who think I'm married to them, and they get jealous if I spend too much time on WoW and that annoys me. I spend time with them, but they get angry because I spend more time on WoW. They fail to realize that I have friends on WoW also, just how your husband and all of these WoW players you all bitch about have friends on WoW they enjoy to hang out with. So you can call yourself a "widow" all you want. But if you husband still spends minimal time with you and the kids, nothing is wrong in the household what so ever. You think that if people spend their leisure time on WoW it is selfish because it is for their own happiness? Well it is their right to spend THIER OWN leisure time regardless if it makes other people happy or not. No one should have to care about other peoples happiness while they are on their own leisure time. It makes me angry how people use the word "selfish". My definition of selfish is how people intrude on OTHER people just so they can be happy. It doesn't matter if someone has a family or not, if they do something that only makes themselves happy, they should feel guilty in the slightest. Just how I shouldn't feel guilty if I feel unsadisfied with my life, and choose to spend my time on WoW. I have a right to not be happy with the real world, so I turn to an alter world. If anyone I know bitches and moans about it, tough shit for them, its my own right. As for Charlie who wrote how WoW was designed to be addictive. Well its only addictive if the person allows it to be addictive. Its a wonderfully designed PC game with its own world. Its not brainwashing players to keep playing, but you people talk as if its something like ciggerettes.

Daniel 2007-05-05T17:29:26Z Daniel http://ihateWOW.tribe.net/thread/007572a0-97f6-465c-bcaa-001247341128#5a6375ed-6f5d-4dae-b51a-f8a98a2154c2 2007-05-05T17:20:02Z 2007-05-05T17:20:02Z

Ok Where should I start? First off with Cody, ok this may be a "support" forum board for people who bitch and moan how they have friends and loved ones who play WoW, but the title of the Tribe "I hate WoW" simply states you all are pissing on the game just because you feel that it takes time between your friends and loved ones and yourself. As I said earlier, don't blame the game, blame yourself or if nessesary blame the person. As for your whole issue on family matters, as long as the husband or wife financially provides for the family, and spend minimal time with their family they are doing nothing wrong what so ever. They have every right in the world to spend every night on WoW, because they have friends on WoW, as well as a life. Where I live, I have friends that I live with who always bitch at me because I'm on WoW. I spend my time the way how I CHOOSE to spend my own time, just how the people you all bitch about have a right to spend their time the way they see fit, not you. So you and WoWwidow say how that people choosing to live in a virtual world for some time is a drain on the family and what even offends me more, being selfish? I'm sorry but the way how I see it is, you people are the ones who are being selfish. You all fail to acknowledge that your loved ones need space, and how it is THEIR LEGAL RIGHT to have a virtual life. As you said before, people have to be productive members of society, but as long as they work and financially support the family, they are being productive, and if they want to turn to WoW for personal space and for THIER happiness, then they have every right in the world to do so. Addiction hurts everyone? Well you people are letting it hurt you, before you all complain about the game or your loved ones/friends, you should take a good look at yourselves. Right now I am just about sick of everything in the real world. After all the shit that happened from where I live, I decided to take a trip to my family's house, and now more shit is happening to me. My family is threatening to not pay for my tutition, they are forcing me to move to a different place, and they are still bitching at me because I play WoW too much. It's my own personal life! The way how I see it right now, is that real life is nothing more than something I have to put up with. Back from where I live, I failed my college courses, one of my best friends and roomates attempted suicide, and now I'm being forced to move AGAIN!!!!!!! GOD I'm sick of it! As for WidWoW, or I think I should refer to you as WoW widow (give me a break), I can't help but noticed you made the topic title "you are pathetic" in which I was just thinking you were pissing on me. You were complaining how your husband spends time on WoW too much. Well if he doesn't have a job and spends no time with you or the kids, then you do have a right to complain. But if he does have a job, like you mentioned, and he does spend time with you and the kids then you have nothing to complain about. He isn't emotionally neglecting you or the kids, he just chooses to spend his leisure time on WoW, there is nothing wrong with that what so ever. I have roomates and friends who think I'm married to them, and they get jealous if I spend too much time on WoW and that annoys me. I spend time with them, but they get angry because I spend more time on WoW. They fail to realize that I have friends on WoW also, just how your husband and all of these WoW players you all bitch about have friends on WoW they enjoy to hang out with. So you can call yourself a "widow" all you want. But if you husband still spends minimal time with you and the kids, nothing is wrong in the household what so ever.

Daniel 2007-05-05T17:20:02Z Edward http://ihateWOW.tribe.net/thread/007572a0-97f6-465c-bcaa-001247341128#709048f0-ea6f-46dc-975f-0fc626d256d2 2007-05-04T17:19:14Z 2007-05-04T17:19:14Z

Well, I hate to say it, but it sure looks like you made the original post just to piss on the people here. *shrugs* But aside from that, here's something to think about. Should people take responsibility for the things they send out into the world? Take cars for instance. Now, I'm not saying that every car crash is the manufacturer's fault. Far from it, the vast majority of them are the driver's fault. But what if a mechanical fault is found in the design that makes the car more dangerous? Shouldn't the manufacturer be held accountable and made to change it? Of course they should. Don't think of me as a conspiracy theorist here, but here's a little something that makes sense; if people pay per month for a service, it makes good business sense to make people not want to leave. While it should be done by improving the service, it can also be done by making it hard to switch to another one, or by making your service something compulsively addictive. And thus you get a problem. Sensible people are saying that games are bad for you, and they're saying they aren't. At the same time, idiots are saying that games are bad for you, and they're saying they aren't. This is the perfect environment in which to avoid getting your ass sued off. And that's precisely what Blizzard are doing. Not getting sued, as far as I know. Oh, and one other thing. Given that idiots will slate this game, saying it's crap, why listen to them? They're idiots. Just listen to people who make sense and seem intelligent, not the raving lunatics. But at the same time, something made the lunatics rave against World of Warcraft. And it was probably people who love it *too* much. Just let them rant for a while, it's good therapy. Let them get it out of their system and sympathise with them, and work with the intelligent people to figure out what the real problem actually is. Oh, and CHILL THE F*CK OUT! It's just a game, it's not like the world will end if someone criticises it, and it's not like you wrote it or anything, so don't take it personally or I shall have to come round your house and.... talk to you about it. GOD, I hate being so reasonable all the time..... ;)

Edward 2007-05-04T17:19:14Z Gary http://ihateWOW.tribe.net/thread/007572a0-97f6-465c-bcaa-001247341128#c68b2834-c9c0-4261-afb5-aa120016243d 2007-05-03T20:12:43Z 2007-05-03T20:12:43Z

The world doesn't owe you jack shit. And if you are so worried about the environment, get out and do something about it. Killing virtual wild boars ain't going to accomplish shit..

Gary 2007-05-03T20:12:43Z jason http://ihateWOW.tribe.net/thread/007572a0-97f6-465c-bcaa-001247341128#481574a5-acb9-437c-9589-a43a92e162b3 2007-04-28T11:16:32Z 2007-04-28T11:16:32Z

I find it pathetic that people allow themselves to be taken for granted because of others addictions . If you are unhappy with something you need to take control of the situation for yourself. If someone is adamant in valuing something more than you, family or friends you should do everything in your control to remedy the situation. Then give a final ultimatum. If this causes a severance of the relationship for any reason, find someone who values your self worth.

jason 2007-04-28T11:16:32Z Sara http://ihateWOW.tribe.net/thread/007572a0-97f6-465c-bcaa-001247341128#a934062b-773f-4abf-9dd6-42321cc90d21 2007-04-27T13:19:01Z 2007-04-27T13:19:01Z

You...are brilliant!

Sara 2007-04-27T13:19:01Z widWoW http://ihateWOW.tribe.net/thread/007572a0-97f6-465c-bcaa-001247341128#abba0c84-4f3c-4188-808a-c860142026f1 2007-04-27T03:41:44Z 2007-04-27T03:41:44Z

It's sad that you see this perspective of the free market consumerism and freedom of choice that so many people choose to make. I'm proud of you to consider that most people who chose to have a particular interest that develops into a habit that they must feed continuously (otherwise known as an addiction) are so free to choose to stop. I do sincerely offer my condolences for your family tragedies, but I am repulsed that your opinion that confronting the family member that is playing the games is such an easy task. Good for them to have 'free will'. Is WoW the same as a meth addiction? Not physically, the probability of dying from WoW is infinitely less than a meth overdose, but the point is, can you stop playing? My experience is that you can't. Good for you that you have the free will to spend a lot of time playing this game and you have grown to love the virtual worlds that have no meaning if a server goes down. Oh, excuse me, Blizzard and Ventrilo and Thotbot and whomever else has a vested interest in your currency (and I will have to agree with you that it is your free choice to spend your currency however you see fit in your small penance of a monthly subscription for your chosing to play your game), and they have probably duplicated their servers on so many levels just so you and your online friends can be happy sitting on your bottoms while you play your game for hours on end, or that you come back at appointed times because you have raids where you will promote the game even further. Of course, your bottom is considerably healthier than most of your counterparts because you are vegetarian. I could really care less that you feel that the game is controllable. I find that any time you have a vested interest in something, it sometimes takes control of you. Too bad for me and my children who cannot enter the primary room in our house during a "raid" because it will intrude on my husband's activity. But, I guess that is his free time. Too bad for me and my children who want to talk to my husband about our day. Oh, so sorry, you probably feel I am a selfish prude for expecting that from my husband, too. No, I'm not a yippy wife that sits around all day and eats bon-bons while gossiping with the neighbors. I actually work hard for a living, and make sure my house is in order so that when and if my husband decides he can get away from his game for awhile, we could entertain. Yes, he works hard for a living, too. But he chooses to spend his free time doing something that does not contribute to the happiness of anyone else but himself. Spending his time? Yes, it is his time. But I'm sorry that you obviously have a collectively small value on any family relationships you have that you do not consider them worthy of your time. However, it must be nice to be able to choose to alienate yourself to the physical and emotional aspects of life with people who actually could identify you on the street and choose to spend your life with people who are primarily interested in your "gaming ability". Yes you make "friends" with people in your guild, and you might personally know some of them, and then, good for you for having that in common. You tell me that you are a trained counselor dealing with addiction and I will humbly step aside, but it is obvious by your post that you are not. You tell me that you are happily married and happy with children and I will congratulate you in your obvious ability to multitask your life so much that your family members don't mind you exercising your right to have your free time to be left alone on a regular basis while they accomodate themselves without you. I have hobbies that I love, but I realize that my priority is my family and to attend to them. If that means I only get to spend a few hours a week in my hobby, if I can spend that much time with the hobby, then so be it. I don't blame "my problem" on me, because I have made every effort that is morally within my ability to tell my husband that I would like to spend more time with him than he does with his game. I would blame myself if I showed him years ago how a computer and modem/broadband works, or if I showed him the world of mmorpgs. I don't blame "my problem" on just one game or the genre of mmorpgs. Asheron's Call, Shadowbane, Guild Wars, Empire Earth, World of Warcraft, shall we go on? All of those have contributed to my alienation from someone I love. So, happy trails, Daniel, for such an eloquent post of the pathetic nature of people who obviously have difficulty understanding how much you and your online friends justify your continued support of something that obviously was tailor made for infinite entertainment of creative people like you. I'm sorry that you don't see how pathetic people can choose to be when they are part of mmorpgs (because obviously, it is their own free will).

widWoW 2007-04-27T03:41:44Z Cody http://ihateWOW.tribe.net/thread/007572a0-97f6-465c-bcaa-001247341128#4bea00df-4af3-4471-b681-9e63f04287f1 2007-04-24T22:57:28Z 2007-04-24T22:57:28Z

Well Daniel now that we kow your not a one time poster lets address some of your concerns. I have a feeling you havn't read most of these posts because you seem hung up on the title of this tribe. It isn't a bunch of ranting about the game, its people who are looking for help. You may not understand that but sometimes when people have a problem or a hurt they need to write it down and they like to discuss it. You do have a point reguarding consumer responsibility. All and all it is up to the consumer to be responsible enough to enjoy a video game but still be a productive member of society. Unfortunately many people have a problem with this. They are good people and their friends and family love them. There is no easy answer reguarding how to deal with someone who isn't living up to their responsibility. You can't just ditch your wife becasue they play a game too much, you have to work it out. That's what this tribe is for, working it out. People who have problems with this game do usually have some other underlying reason for their escape, addressing that allows for a happy relationship. Now reguarding your repeated statements about "it's their own time and their right" to play videogames all day rarely works. Everyone is charged with being a productive member of society. You cannot be productive while playing a videogame 18 hours a day unless that's your job. If your not being a productive member of society that means that your are forcing someone else to take care of you which is wrong. Do we all have the right to persue happyness? Yes we do, as long as it doens't effect someone else. If the housewife/mother stoped doing her job of homemaking and just plays videogames all day she isn't being a productive member of society. Her husband works for a living and she takes care of household responsibilities. If she doesn't do it and he has to do it all it isn't fair to him. Her persuit of happyness screwed him over. In which case he has a right to bitch, especially when he has so much invested in the relationship. He probably didn't marry her while she was playing, she changed. Because of this it isn't fair to say shame on you for sticking around, it's her right to screw you over. Addiction hurts everyone no matter what it is. Peple need each other and when one is unavailable it hurts everyone else around them. Is wow just a video game, sure, untill someone chooses to dissapear into a fantisy world and ditch everyone else. Is the real world tough? It sure is. You have a sob storry, but so does everyone else. Life is 10% what happens to you and 90% how you react to it. If you react by screwing over your friends and family by diving into a videogame, you are circling the drain. Reguarding society bitching over people who choose to live freely, most don't have a problem with that, untill some freely living bum needs medical care. By choosing not to participate in society he only takes from the collective. Ever wonder why health care costs are so high? Because of your freely living people requesting helathcare. There is no sign stating "we reserve the right to refuse service" at a hospital. They are required by law to take care of everyone, but only those who are able to pay fit the bill. So those of us who participate in society are forced to take care of those freely living people. So her I am, society ,bitching. Take care of your own damn self, then I don't give a shit what you do with your free time.

Cody 2007-04-24T22:57:28Z Daniel http://ihateWOW.tribe.net/thread/007572a0-97f6-465c-bcaa-001247341128#dfa9aa24-df7d-486e-ac4e-6d803d1bed01 2007-04-24T22:16:53Z 2007-04-24T22:16:53Z

So you just made this post, just to piss on me? Yeah I admit I love the game. So of course it makes me angry when people say WoW is harmful because if it does affect their lives, only the people are to blame. You really need to understand the whole concept of CONSUMER RESPONSIBILITY. WoW, like any other corperate item should never be held responsible for people's problems, even if it was related. The game didn't ruin these people's lives, the people did it themselves. Might as well blame the Liquor companies for making people drunk. I have a right to hold something against the world for how things are, so you can call me Emo or hippy all you want, but I really shouldn't take the post you wrote so seriously.

Daniel 2007-04-24T22:16:53Z Charlie http://ihateWOW.tribe.net/thread/007572a0-97f6-465c-bcaa-001247341128#1965f089-99ad-4d7c-857d-28b69f0768b0 2007-04-24T15:18:33Z 2007-04-24T15:18:33Z

Emo kid. I'm glad my hard earned money will be going to benefit scroungers like yourself. Get a grip you fucking hippy and grow some balls. WoW does change people, and ruins lives. I know the person is 99% responsible but the game has to take blame too. You're just trying to defend a game, that you admit you love, because it's the only thing you have left in the world. How about you just kill yourself and spare the world of your stupidity?

Charlie 2007-04-24T15:18:33Z Saeed http://ihateWOW.tribe.net/thread/007572a0-97f6-465c-bcaa-001247341128#0e81eadc-9817-47e1-9157-395f7d3a0e5d 2007-04-20T04:54:55Z 2007-04-20T04:54:55Z

You should see a shrink and stop feeling sorry for yourself. There are people with much bigger problems in this world and your unwillingness to improve your situation makes me believe that you are wasting our oxygen. WoW is an excape goat for the things you don't want to deal with!

Saeed 2007-04-20T04:54:55Z Cody http://ihateWOW.tribe.net/thread/007572a0-97f6-465c-bcaa-001247341128#0374d252-1cd9-484c-8615-3ec4f9bce48c 2007-04-13T17:52:41Z 2007-04-13T17:52:41Z

Selfish Much?

Cody 2007-04-13T17:52:41Z Daniel http://ihateWOW.tribe.net/thread/007572a0-97f6-465c-bcaa-001247341128#45a29581-8e3d-4da5-8bd8-f508548fed35 2007-04-13T16:51:27Z 2007-04-13T16:51:27Z

When I saw these forum boards, I was just so suprised to see how stupid the single individual can be. Not only that but many of the post here REALLY made me angry. You blame all of your problems on this one game, and frankly it pisses me off, just for the main reason that you are all taking the innocents out of a game I grew to love and respect. I notice that there are people here who have friends, family members, or loved ones who don't respect their own space and bitch just because they choose to SPEND THEIR OWN TIME on a beloved hobby they also grew to love. On the other hand I notice there are many of you who are also "addicted" to this game, and take all of your fustrations out on the game, while you should just blame yourself. It isn't the games fault that you "got addicted" it is YOUR FAULT. The game does not force you to become addicted. Here is something about myself. I am a World of Warcraft player, and in the past years I grew to love not only the game, but the World (Azeroth and Outland), the people in it, and the whole environment and feeling. I do spend a lot of time on WoW, but IT IS MY OWN choice, and sometimes it does become a problem, but I take RESPONSIBILITY for it, I don't spew out shit and say "WoW ruined my life because it made me "addicted". On the other hand I always have friends that bitch to me because I spend "too much time on it". IT'S MY OWN FUCKING TIME! NOT THEIR TIME! I am not obligated to spend time for anyone else but me. But people still bitch at me, as if I owe them something, but honestly in RL the World really owes me something, an apology but that is a whole other story. This whole world (real world) is fucked up. The environment is being destroyed, there is world hunger and famine, there is still war. As for my personal life, my mother caught cancer, that fucking local goverment wants to build a road through the house I grew up in, and I it takes every bit of effort for me to even get out of bed. So the way how I see it is, fuck the real world. I feel happy that I am in World of Warcraft, and if it affects my RL in any negative way then it is my own choice and responsiblity. What makes me angry is how you people all complain about the people in your life that are "addicted" to World of Warcraft, and instead of taking it out on the people you know, you all take it out on the game. It pisses me off that you say how the game is "evil" (oh please) and you all talk as if it corrupted you or your loved ones. If you all feel that WoW has affected you or your loved ones in a negative way IT ISN'T the games fault, it is the individuals fault. This all goes under the whole golden rule of CONSUMER RESPONSIBILITY. Just like how the tobbaco company isn't responsible for peoples health or McDonalds isn't responsible for peoples wieght (btw this is saying a lot because I'm a vegetarian), it isn't World of Warcraft's responsiblity for the amount of time people play on their, it is the individuals decession. Many posts here made me angry (such as Chris's post), because you all bitch how your family, friends or spouses are on the game too much, but the truth you all need to realize is that it is THEIR OWN TIME and THEIR RIGHT. If you have a boyfriend or girlfriend who spends too much time on WoW and you think it affects your relationship, then it is YOUR OWN CHOICE to be with that person. If a boyfriend ditches you for WoW, and you feel abandoned then you shouldn't be with him in the first place. Same thing for the guys, if your girlfriend is on too much then it is your own choice to stay with that person. As for parents complaining that your kids spend too much time on the game, well then you need to control your kids because its not WoW's responsiblity to tell them to stop playing. If he or she is 18 or older, then tough shit, it is their own right to spend as much time as they want on WoW. For the people who bitch how their mother or father spends too much time on WoW, you have no right to bitch about it at all because they supported you in the past so just be thankful for that. Mothers are more targeted because society puts a double standard on them. It is a mother's right to spend time the way how she chooses to spend time, and if she chooses to spend much of her time on WoW as she wants, then society has no right what so ever to bitch about it what so ever. It is the same thing with the father. Just because they are parents, it does not mean that they are not allowed to spend time the way they choose to spend time. Sometimes I just hate society because it always bitches over people choosing to live freely. What has ever happened to freedom and the pursuit of happiness. So what do you people do, you all go here and bitch just because people you know choose to live freely. It doesn't matter if someone has children, a spouse, or a job, it is their own right to choose their time the way they want to spend their time. So what do you all say, you all say how WoW is evil? that is the biggest load of crap ever. Respect people's own private life. Don't bitch about the game, take a look in the mirror and realize that the only person to blame over this is you.

Daniel 2007-04-13T16:51:27Z